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much less expensively. >>> negotiators have become very quiet on the fiscal cliff. odd for them. not much known specifically about what's happening behind closed doors. we want to get to steve israel. a democrat from new york. chair of the democratic congressional campaign committee. nice to have you with us again. i'm always worried when there is not a lot of noise out of washington, d.c. everything quiet. to the point where speaker and the president releasing press releases almost identical. is this good? the talks are moving in a positive turn? >> yeah, look, nothing is certain, but in this case, i think whispering in the white house is better than finger pointing in the media. it suggests, like in any negotiation, the parties serious, trying to work out acceptable compromise. speaker boehner has received pressure from own members looking at polls. including a poll that 60% of the american people want a balanced deal that does ask the wealthiest to do more. they want fundamental debt reduction, spending cuts, which democrats are prepared to do. no news may be good news. >> th
. >> regardless of how fiscal cliff negotiations work out, for the first time ever, the irs will impose a new income surtax on all investment gains including your home. 159 pages of rules for one tax. this cannot be good. here now is the author of the book democracy denied. 159 pages. am i right it is going to include gains on your home? in fact this rule looks like it is going to cover more ground than originally thought. this surtax? >> well, you still have an exclusion on the tail of a primary residence. above that, it would be subject to this surtax. independent income. the rules are surrising. all rental income, you are going to have to pay the surtax on that rental income. depending on what happens with fiscal inclusive, we could be looking at 43.4%. all of this stuff, income is going to go up. there is a 0.9% payroll tax for people above $250,000. explain this to me. these investments aren't they already tax ee eed once? when you put it into corporate assets, you put it into corporate stock. this is an additional layer of tax on already taxed income. to worsen that, worsens that treatm
the fiscal cliff negotiations. what you see is what house speaker john boehner said he is hopeful a deal will be reached, but also added the g.o.p. wants the white house to provide details on spending cuts. but in the white house wants the same thing from the g.o.p. but either way that is good enough for the market. we took off and we stayed to the upside. so far neither side has been specific on spending cuts so coming up in just one hour o ony 4:00 p.m. eastern, former treasury secretary paul o'neill says he has easiest way to cut spending. fox business exclusive and in this our whole host of leaders in business talking about what specific they want to see. in terms of individual standouts. apple right now about 2% to the upside. some excitement over the iphone 5. how is this for a order in china. brenda marshall says china unicom has more than 300,000 people on the waiting list. nicole petallides with talk about this earlier, but that is enough to boost the stock. sales in china friday, can you imagine the lines? sec don't airlines is soaring. up nearly 6%. delta says they will buy 49
. >> let me start with what's going on in washington. we've got this negotiation for the fiscal cliff. if we go over the fiscal cliff, what is the impact to your business? >> well, there would be an impact on consumption, for sure. so when it comes to puma or mainstream brands in america in sports, there will be a for sure some consequences in terms of consumption. but i see that as an investment for the future. so it might be a little bit different from some of other ceos. we have to get over the fiscal cliff. let's not delay the thing. it needs efforts. let's make them short for a better future. i think we should be ready as a corporation, being ready for maybe a year of difficult market, difficult situation in the market because that is a ceiling on our growth in terms of economical growth as to be released. it's really me an investment for the future. >> you're seeing a similar situation in france where we're talking about the possibility of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes going much higher. what will that do to the investor class, to the entrepreneurialism that we're seein
in the fiscal cliff negotiations it would be counterproductive if congress cut invest. >>> in education and job training to "reduce the deficit" in a way that would impact future economic growth. we've got to fix the workforce investment, the job training system in the united states to prepare people for the types of jobs that ceo has. >> you've been there, you've had to forge deals between warring constituencies. fiscal cliff. what would the solution be if you were handling it? >> i like the idea of the president, john boehner, the key players, getting together with no staff in the room. the second thing, they've got to be guided by a couple of things. number one, what is best for the nation? not my party, not my philosophy, not necessarily my politics. number two -- >> you'd like it one on one. >> editd' i'd like it one on on discuss specifics in a one on one way. second, they may agree there should be short-term steps and long-term steps, i think we can get there. the nation is counting on them doing something significant. >> saints/giants this weekend? >> i've got to go for the saints. i'm
in the fiscal cliff negotiations with now just 21 days to reach a deal. that's three weeks. today president obama returns to campaign mode, taking his fiscal cliff message to detroit. yesterday the president and speaker boehner met privately at the white house. their first face-to-face meeting since they agreed last week to clear everyone else out of the negotiating room. neither side revealed anything about the meeting that was part of the agreement. only saying that the lines of communication remain open. but yesterday another influential republican, senator bob corker from the senate banking committee, said his party should consider the president's position on raising tax rates on the wealthy. >> there is a growing group of folks that are looking at this and realizing that we don't have a lot of cards as it relates to the tax issue before year end. i mean, we have one house, that's it. the presidency and the senate's in the democrats' hands. a lot of people are putting forth a theory, and i actually think it has merit where you go ahead and give the president the 2% increase that he's ta
-year low. the timing is interesting, obviously, just as we're learning that fiscal cliff negotiations are now a party of two, the president and the speaker. the "new york times" reporting that house speaker john boehner wants to speak only to president obama out of public view. though we've just learned that boehner is holding a news conference at 11:00 this morning eastern time. the fight, though, still very public. vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >> perry, i'm wondering if these new unemployment numbers add to the president's leverage? >> i think they do. the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well a
for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> as fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. under this administration under president obama we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes -- >> those are some of the republican leadership in the house as you can see responding to the white house's response to their counteroffer of a couple days ago as a reminder the president is going to speak to the business roundtable at 10:50 this morning. we think he'll take some questions even as gop leadership is meeting with small businesses as negotiations or lack thereof over the fiscal cliff continue. >> did you see that the nbc white house team is reporting the belief that perhaps the republicans don't have the fight in them anymore to really dig in now on the concessions on the way which is good news if you don't want to go over the fiscal cliff but they are dispelling the real argument for late
on the fiscal cliff negotiations because it becomes even more binding one would assume in terms of good or bad for the market, for the economy. >> kernen had a good point. does strength mean the economy could handle a cliff or is it so good you wouldn't want to tamper -- >> if i wanted to create a recession, what would i do? i would raise everybody's rates. i would cut the unemployment benefit. just trying to think of a theory of how i could cause a recession. i would cut back government spending quickly. >> i would raise interest rates to 20%. >> bernanke ought to join the -- look, i think this is what's going to happen. i think it's 50-50 we get a deal. no vacation. no legislation, no vacation. i think that when people get their paycheck at the end of january, they are going to be shocked at how much lower it is. i know these guys in washington, their paycheck isn't affected. i think when you get your paycheck, you're going to say i hate that. it is going to be that big. it's going to be very -- the takeout is going to be big. amt at the end of the year, you'll write a check when you're supp
average is up 97 points, 13,256. we follow the tiny makkah nations of the fiscal cliff negotiations. the markets are up. apple has become a day trader's stock. on "varney and company" we never get into stuff like support levels. that is what is happening with apple right now. it is up $13 all over the place. limited brands paid the three dollar, one time dividend. this is the company -- paying a record penalty of $1.9 billion in a money-laundering case, failing to maintain effective anti money-laundering program. watch out, 90 seconds is all you got to wait for the judge back on a ruling on north carolina. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the hearof yr portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes vestment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. look this isn't my firschristmas. thes
negotiations? >> well, bernanke is the man credited with coining the term fiscal cliff. he did it back in february as part of testimony before congress. bernanke was speaking at a press conference today and he was asked two things. one, does he see impacts from the fiscal cliff, the lack of a deal, is it already rippling through the economy in? he said, yes. that's why you're seeing a fall in consumer confidence and less business activity and he said that it's impair tea that the congress comes to a deal with the white house and he was asked, do you think that term is correct a. fiscal cliff? is it a slope, maybe? he said, no, it's a fiscal can cliff because the economy will hit a brick wall if there is not a deal in january. he says it is not hype. >> he's basically saying if we go over the fiscal cliff, if these lawmakers and white house doesn't make a deal, it could lead to a recession? >> that >> reporter: that's right. we could hit another recession if we go over the fiscal cliff. >>> shoppers that dive for cover as a gunman opens for cover in an oregon mall. we're going to give y
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
what happens he had to say on the "today" show about who knows what about the fiscal cliff and the budget negotiations. >> these guys if you gave half of them -- gave 90% of them a profit and loss statement in one hand and a balance sheet in the other they wouldn't know how to read it. >> so, alan simpson not making himself the most popular among former colleagues. what is your sense? how well do the members who are going to be voting on the stuff understand, both what's in this deal or could be in the deal and what the consequences are? >> typically how this works out those with the most expertise are closest to the process of the deal making, what might be on the table, off the table. and that seems to benefit all sides. people with the most knowledge of this. when it does come to the vote, which is the ultimate answer here, there can be a lot of that within the party arm twisting. it's fair to say that not every member of the senate, and certainly not every member of the house, has expertise on issues of this sort of magnitude. but there are all kind of held accountable
than a year. fiscal cliff negotiations, they're really focused on fixing the debt. how can you fix the debt if you can't fix the economy? if you can't fix the jobs situation? >> oh, boy, this is the magic question this is why people like paulfreaking out and going, wait a minute, we go over the fiscal cliff, it is austerity, it is bad for job creation and that could be a problem. the bigger issue i think in the long-term unemployment problem is we never really dealt with it from the beginning of the jobs crisis. so 12 million people out of work, 40% of them, more than six months, that's insane. but we have not had a real program to get those long-term unemployed back to work. and, you know, frankly, i don't see anything happening in the future. as we look at that fiscal cliff, what does that really do? it says government is going to spend less money, less money means less job training, less ways to get the unemployed back to work. that really says that we're probably going to be stuck with an unemployment problem for a long time. >> so avoiding a fiscal cliff doesn't necessarily me
cliff negotiations. one expressed dismay today at the climate of secrecy surrounding the talks. listen if you would to senator jay rockefeller of west virginia. >> i get nervous when two people disappear into a white house room and start making a grand alliance and they think, well, we're going to do this to the rich and that to the poor, so we'll make that a trade-off. and like tom harkin says, that is unmoral. you cannot do it. >> so for now, let's just say no budget deal come the first of the year. you know what happens. income taxes go up, and under terms of the debt agreement reached last year, government spending would slow. this is the so-called fiscal cliff. now, it is clear what higher taxes would do. but what about budget cuts? who would that affect? a lot of folks including several million unemployed workers. watch this story with me from cnn's kyung lah. >> reporter: she doesn't call it a fiscal cliff. what she could be facing at year's end is a financial free fall. >> i don't know. i just wish i wasn't in this situation, but it is what it is. and i can just do what i can.
and getting that. >> it's a statement. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. also on the radar this morning, after president obama and house speaker john boehner both were tight-lipped how the negotiations went. the co-founder of the fix the debt campaign, he was asked about the chances of striking a deal to avoid the cliff. >> it's probably more like a 40% chance we'll actually get it done before the end of the year. probably 25% chance we'll get it done right after the end of the year. and then there's that horrible 35% chance that we'll still go over the cliff and have pure chaos. but i think the chances of getting it done now are better. i think that's what's key. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow for the fiscal cliff coverage live from washington. mission critical, rise above d.c., all day long. becky quick, jim cramer, maria bartiromo holding their feet to the fire about where they stand on the fiscal cliff and how they'll do their part to rise above partisan politics and reach a deal. now, there are some bowles comments. 40%, yeah, but the odds are much better. they're still 35% chance
for a fiscal cliff proposal with $800 billion in tax increases. >> republicans should not be conceding that the federal government needs more money, negotiating with ourselves. >> reporter: demint really made a name for himself in recent years as a tea party king maker raising millions to help elect half a dozen like-minded conservatives to the senate. marco rubio, rand paul, johnson and ted cruz. >> i've played a role in stocking the senate with solid conservatives who are younger and brighter and better spokesmen than i am. and so i know i'm leaving the senate better than i found it. >> reporter: but demint also infuriated republican leaders by backing several gop primary candidates who could not win their senate seats. remember christine o'donnell? cnn is told senate republican leader mitch mcconnell was annoyed for backing o'donnell and a couple other losing candidates in 2010 and cost republicans the majority. at the time demint told us he was unapologetic and still is. you're trying to send a message to the gop establishment. >> the gop establishment is out. and what we're going
the first quarter of 2013 if the negotiations get postponed temporarily. everybody debated the fiscal cliff as if it's an appropriations bill. really it's fiscal tightening. you have to ask yourself what's going to offset? policy makers from washington can get it wrong and tighten too much. the economy looks -- >> are they likely to tighten too much? is that palatable to do now? >> all the signals -- the debate is occurring in the public arena right now. looks like pure politics. we haven't seen a sound compromise solution yet be put on the table. but then again there's weeks to go. so you have to wait and see. >> we want to make some regards on deal or no deal. what would you advise we do right now? >> i can tell you the trend of what we're seeing here. it smells like a santa claus rally. i wouldn't be surprised to see this thing spike maybe 50 more points higher on the s&p. you know, one thing that might upset that would be if the fed came up with some sort of surprise they're going to stop printing money for all the bonds they're repurchasing. but i don't think that's going to happen. so
to the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. and i think this raises the pressure to get a deal done. that's important. and the part of the deal that is actually not being talked about, but which will be central, is the spending side. the sequester is a very bad policy. both sides agree it needs to go away. they have to figure out how. and the tax side has to be matched by entitlement reforms and you can pick 37 if you have the right entitlement reforms but only 36 if you have less and you could get 38 if you have more. there's a lot of work left to be done. >> let's talk about that, robert. on the spending side. do you think that there's any way the democrats get out of this over the next 18 or 24 months without really addressing spending and probably annoying a lot of their base in the process? >> well, the president has already put a lot of spending cuts on the table. let me partially agree with doug. the employment report today was, although it looked pretty encouraging if you look at the numbers underneath the numbers it was not all that encouraging. the labor force participation rate, the percen
but not a roaring recovery. does it help one side more than the other in the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. >> they will both have talking points. the president will come out and say, look we're recovering and making our progress and therefore the economy is okay to have these tax hikes levied on it and republicans will say it is too weak to play guinea pig with the economy and you shouldn't be making this experimentation, the job numbers are not strong and politics aside, presidents with a second term their most lasting legacy is their stewardship of the economy and it is astonishing, given how weak the economy is, you can got out and impose new taxes, whatever will come, in he's wrong and it has an effect it will be hard for us to dig out of that in the end. >> chris: juan, 23 days, and counting, now, until we go over the cliff. do you see -- and you heard senators corker and schumer, any sign aw sign we are getting closer to a deal. and it does seem like republicans are caving on the top tax rates. >> you were listening carefully. that is exactly right. that is the sign. i mean, republi
'donnell. plus, three journalists on the story. >>> the looming fiscal cliff 22 days away. we'll go inside the negotiations with two top leaders in just a moment, but i want to start with the ongoing crisis in syria where the assad government is cracking down on its own people. and this week something significant happened. the president signalled a big potential shift in u.s. involvement there. >> i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. >> nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel is here to bring us more on what is a developing story. >> reporter: david, despite increasing criticism and warnings, the government of bashir al assad is revving up its activities. this area was bombed last night. regarding chemical weapons, commanders we have spoken to are very concerned that the government could use chemical weapons. they are completely not prepared
taking place over the fiscal cliff. that's part of the reason that the president is in michigan bringing his message to the people and yesterday the president and house speaker john boehner brought their message to one another. the first one on one in more than three weeks. will there be a deal to include what's called serious entitlement reform and cuts? joining me now congresswoman bass of california. it's a pleasure to have you on again. >> thanks, thanks for having me on, tamron. >> absolutely. the president is in michigan. i want to read what senator dick durbin said on entitlements and reform. let me play it. >> i do believe there should be means testing and those of us with the higher income and retirement should pay more. that can be part of the solution but when you talk about raising the medicare eligibility age, there's a key question. what happens to the early retiree and the gap in coverage between the workplace and medicare? >> what are your concerns regarding entitlement reform? >> well, my main concern is that what i think is unacceptable is if we were to break the guaran
house absolutely is ready to go over the fiscal cliff. where do negotiations go from there? keep it right here on "morning joe." >>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. time to wake up, everybody. welcome back to "morning joe." take a live look at new york city. back with us onset we have harold ford. >> he is a professor. >> yes, he is. >> hard to believe. >> and a former member of congress. >> yes. >> steve rattner. >> he is a financier. >> yes he is. >> also hard to believe. >> and mark halperin in washington. >> he is a secret agent. won't tell us who he is meeting with. >> so cagey. >> boy, there are some stories here. unbelievable. you're talking about libya and i tell you what. you've got assad about to cross that red line and he's going to see russia leaving quick. i think he'll see even troops going in there if he starts using chemical weapons against his own people. morsi in trouble, egypt. the biggest revolt since mubarak was pushed out of power. the "new york times" also has another fascinating story. john boehner gains strong backin
the fiscal cliff and not voting for a tax raise and then later negotiating taxes down. >> republicans will be blamed, polls show, if we go over the cliff. >> let's turn to jeb henserling, newly named chairman of the house committee and co-chair on the super committee. we heard will saying how do you salvage a political victory? the reality is if nothing is done, if you cannot get together, you go over the fiscal cliff and taxes go up for everybody, correct? >> well, the president is going to get his revenue one way or the other. house republicans will do everything we can to minimize the damage to our economy. we know that by raising the rates on the top two brackets, as the president wants to do will cause middle income workers at least 2% off their paychecks, lose another 700,000 jobs. that's not something republicans are going to be part of. but the president obviously will get some rv new. there's nothing we can do to stop thachl it's written into current law. bottom line is that you can't solve this problem through revenue. and the president is not being serious. he is moving the
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, vis-a-vis the president on how to avoid the fiscal cliff or what we should do about tax increases and spending cuts. if mr. boehner is the principal negotiator, what he had to say lasted all of 30 seconds. he simply came out and said look, if the president doesn't agree with our plan, the republican plan, he should submit a plan that could pass through congress. he has failed to do that. he said, however, and he used these words, that speaker boehner and the republicans are ready and eager to negotiate with the president. doesn't sound like there's any degree of compromise there. there's an extremely short statement, really didn't say much of anything. that's it, speaker boehner. mr. cantor is now speaking. again, he's keeping it very very short and very much to the point. but the principal negotiator had all of 30 seconds. that's it. we brought it to you live. >>> back to the judge. >> well i was sort of hoping he would say no new taxes no new spending no new borrowing, draw a line in the sand, do what you were sent there to do. they are becoming enablering of obama -- they are b
the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no real progress in negotiations. in this sense there was no breakthrough on that central point of tax rates. as you know, president obama insists there is no deal unless the gop agrees to raise rates on the top 2% of earners. the gop says that's a nonstarter. and the two men have not moved from that basic position. now, all of this comes at the same time treasury secretary geithner also said for the first time the administration would be willing to go over the fiscal cliff if the gop does not agree to raise those rates. this was treasury secretary geithner earlier today on cnbc. >> is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. all those americans, too, get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. so, in some sense it's a tax cut for all americans. >> reporter: bottom line, anderson, we're talking today but still at stalemate. >> yeah, i mean, it's a sign, jessica and dana, of just
's own matthew dowd . >>> hello, again, just over three weeks away from that fiscal cliff, we gave off a week of press conferences, symbolic votes in senate, less than an hour of serious negotiating. what will it take to break the stalemate? we'll get into that this morning. with two big roundtables of elected officials. the lawmakers. senator tom coburn for the republicans and deb jie stabenow for the democrats. and congressman hen sarlg. he said that for there to be a big deal, tax rates on the wealthy are going to have to go up. >> again, as the speaker has said, unfortunately what we see out of the president my highway or the high wway. one dollar revenue for 2.5 of spending reductions. now, after the election, it's a little bit of bait and switch. now he's asking for $1.6 trillion. for every one dollar of tax increase there's about 20 cents of spending reduction. >> i'm talking about the rates. if the rates go up, can the republicans accept that? >> no rep wants to vote for a rate tax increase. what that's going to do, is cause 700,000 americans to go from having paychecks to unem
with the realities of new taxes that are coming on-line because of health care. the fiscal cliff issues, et cetera. let the speaker do what the speaker does best, and that's negotiate his deal. >> the other michael steele, in this town, which is to say speaker boehner, one of his spokes people, released this tidbit of information, and i stress the word tidbit because it is ever so small. discussions with the white house are taking place, but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains a republican offer, and we continue to wait for the president to identify the spending cuts he's willing to make as part of the balanced approach he promised the american people. when they are in a room together, do they stare at each other and not talk? presumably like some words are communicated and there is some ball moving somewhere if not forward then to the side? >> i'm going to twitch my eye a little bit. you're going to have to guess which entitlement i'm talking about. i think that's the case. i mean, it seems like part of the boehner str
's really negotiating anything? you have the fiscal cliff, and you have all kinds of gridlock in washington. what do you make of what you see? >> it is very strange. i mean, it could be that somebody should sit down and rewrite the way america runs things, because, you know, while america did this, china moves forward rapidly. other countries are more decisive move forward rapidly. so i think on the fiscal cliff it will get sorted. it would be nice if there could be a bit more decisive leadership. if you run a company, you don't have this -- this horrible problem where you can't make decisions. you can get on and say if i want to get into space, i'll go into space. let's get on and invest in it. if i want to go down to the bottom of the oceans, let's build a submarine that goes to the bottom of oceans. it's a lot easier than running a country. >> do you blame any particular side? is it all the same to you? >> look, i think i'm slightly biased one way more than the other, but i'm not going to push out 50% of the people watching your program right now. all right. i think that as far as things
% surveyed said a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff by year end. 44% predict failure in the ongoing negotiations. >>> let's get back to the jobs report due out, in less than 30 minutes, joining us now is mark zandi, chief economist at moody's analytics and jared bernstein former economic adviser to vice president joe biden. he has the finest nod and smile when he's introduced of any of our guests, he's currently a senior fellow. do you practice in front of a mirror, jared? >> i'm just so happy to see you guys. >> it's totally natural the way it happened. >> this is what i like to do at 7:00 a.m. in the morning. it's 8:00 now. this is what i like to do at 8:00 a.m. in the morning. >> we're glad to have you. >> especially with mark "hurricane" zandi. >> i know. he's a boxer. the hurricane. >> the hurricane zandi. >> i got to work on my smile. i have no hair. i better get the smile right. >> you just mentioned jeffries moving up its dividends. d.r. horton is the latest. it's now saying its dividends for all of 2013 will be accelerated and paying 15 cents a share paying at the end of this year. >> t
higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their intent. i think their tax reform intent is quite sound. but the way this is playing out, i think that's a big risk for them. >> they're becoming the party of rich, white, o
very much for having me. >> you bet. still ahead on "starting point" a little movement on the fiscal cliff with new proposals on the table from both sides. going to talk about that. some conservatives say they think boehner should step away from the negotiating table. we'll talk to tennessee congresswoman marcia blackburn about that. >>> a viewer writes to a black meteorologist saying she needs to grow hair or wear a wig. it's not something i think looks good on tv so she responded on facebook very nicely said something at the end "have a nice day," got her fired. we'll talk about her story, when we return, in just a moment. questions? anyone have occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas, bloating? yeah. one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues with three strains of good bacteria. approved! [ female announcer ] live the regular life. phillips'. it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far
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